[Papervision3D] Amazing

Fri Sep 28 11:40:07 PDT 2007

You've made a good point there, Ricky... i think many people on this list
have been in that position... the concept is super-cool, the demos are
awesome and then the client wades in and ruins it!

especially with large organisations the decisions pass through many tiers of
decision-makers, each person is eager to make a difference or just do
something so they can say there were involved in that project or whatever
and it gets watered down and down until it's just a shadow of it's former
self... a friend of mine is an advertising copywriter and hits the same
problems all the time... he writes great words and then some joker in
middle-management who thinks he can write decides that changes have to be
made....

... even so, the point is that Adobe should have chosen something that
hadn't been through this process to showcase a product of theirs that has
potential far outweighing what's been demostrated...

T

On 9/28/07, Johannes Nel <johannes.nel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> haxe is not as3 it just targets the avm2. its a language on its own. mtasc
> is very fast, but it enforces certain syntactical differences (cleaner code
> mind you) than the flash IDE. (hence flags like -mx to support the v2
> components or the fact that the component libraries like aswing written
> using the mtasc compiler did not compiled in the flash IDE - at least not
> last time i tested it)
>
>
> On 9/28/07, Olivier Clément <multiple.paradox at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > MTASC is an AS2 compiler, very efficient (way faster than Flash 8 built
> > in compiler), mainly used with the Eclipse environment
> >
> > For AS3 I think there's HAXE ( haxe.org if my memory's good)
> >
> >
> >
> >  On 07-09-28, at 14:19, Carlos Lunetta wrote:
> >
> > MTASC?
> >
> > Johannes Nel wrote:
> >
> > doh: AS2 has no external compiler
> >
> > On 9/28/07, Johannes Nel < johannes.nel at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats not a solid argument either. AS3 has no external compiler, you
> > > are bound to the Flash IDE -> read here all the lark about proper process
> > > lala --> i think its a moot point. I do not think it should be considered a
> > > show case for papaervision, but AS3  has a multitude of advantages in all
> > > spheres over AS2 when it comes to building a big site.
> > > You should know that from building something as complex as
> > > papervision!!
> > >
> > > On 9/28/07, Carlos Ulloa < carlos at papervision3d.org > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't mean the site itself is disappointing, but as a showcase of
> > > > AS3 it doesn't do a great job. Could be done in AS2 without much trouble.
> > > >
> > > > C4
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Johannes Nel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > how can you say that's disappointing. no its not an amazing use of
> > > > papervision but the site itself has other good bits. its well designed
> > > > around the video aspect, the art direction seems good and its a decent
> > > > concept. there are better 3d sites but i think as a showcase piece its not
> > > > bad from adobe as it combines lots of good concepts and an obviously large
> > > > team.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/28/07, Michael Neil < mneil at barbergroup.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >  Wow, if that's the site it's pretty dissapointing. Very, very
> > > > > dissapointing.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > *From:* Michael Latzoni <michael.latzoni at gmail.com>
> > > > > *To:* papervision3d at osflash.org
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 10:04 AM
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Papervision3D] Amazing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is this the big spaceship site they showed?
> > > > > http://www.hbovoyeur.com/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I am always amazed when I see the work that comes out of Japan.
> > > > > Love the stuff those guys do over there!  Thanks for sharing the link
> > > > > Spiros.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *From:* papervision3d-bounces at osflash.org [mailto:
> > > > > papervision3d-bounces at osflash.org] *On Behalf Of *Carlos Ulloa
> > > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2007 6:57 AM
> > > > > *To:* papervision3d at osflash.org
> > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Papervision3D] Amazing
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not sure it's out yet, it was Voyeur for HBO. It was supposed to
> > > > > demonstrate AS3 but it looks AS2. It was more video than 3D, the 3D part was
> > > > > pretty basic and the transition between 2D and 3D was crap.
> > > > >
> > > > > C4
> > > > >
> > > > >  Spiros Gerokostas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > the name of this site ?
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/28/07, *Carlos Ulloa* < carlos at papervision3d.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just to clarify, I mean Adobe America, that brought big spaceship
> > > > > to their flashforward keynote to show a very disappointing PV3D site.
> > > > >
> > > > > C4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Carlos Ulloa wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's really cool that Adobe Japan pay attention to cool devs,
> > > > > instead of carrying on with the same big spaceshit like the americans do.
> > > > >
> > > > > C4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Spiros Gerokostas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.adobe.com/jp/events/cs3_web_edition_tour/page6.html
> > > > >
> > > > > from the guy behind www.roxik.com
> > > > >
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